panamahat
5:12 Thu Jan 24
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Extremely well put Chim !
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10thofMay
5:05 Thu Jan 24
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Will put Chim.
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Percy Dalton
4:44 Thu Jan 24
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The wife and I are going to RAF Welford on March 30th it's where her uncles plane crash landed having been shot up over Germany.
It's the 75th anniversary and there's a monument in the stations grounds.
Welford is run by the US 420th munitions squadron and the US airmen annually have a full military service to honour the crew that perished.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
4:18 Thu Jan 24
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Chim
Wise words, beautifully put, mate.
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Percy Dalton
4:17 Thu Jan 24
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Chim
Expertly put.
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chim chim cha boo
4:04 Thu Jan 24
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For two whole years our bombers were our only way of attacking a marauding enemy in their own country. Otherwise you could live in Germany and not know there was a war on.
Our attacks on railways and factories caused massive disruption to the German war machine and after Germany started bombing OUR cities we took the gloves off and gave them total war. As someone said on this thread, they sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.
They were a fanatical race trying to exterminate Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, the disabled etc and fought house to house, street to street in the face of certain defeat, always hoping that a wonder weapon would turn defeat into victory.
They were very near having their own atom bomb, had the first operational jet fighter in the air the ME262 and right up until April 1945 were firing huge V2 rockets capable of destroying a city block at London. In March 45 a V2 hit Smithfield market killing 110 people, mostly women and kids queuing for rabbit meat.
I'm lucky enough to know a few Bomber Boys (and there are only a few left) who have very mixed feelings about the firebombing of places like Dresden and Hamburg and some have found it very hard to live with. Some regularly go to these places almost as a pilgrimage. The fact is though that every German soldier ordered to tackle a burning city was a German soldier not fighting on a front killing allied soldiers.
Bloody brave blokes to a man who diligently obeyed orders doing a horrible, extremely dangerous job in a horrible war. The monument is there in memory of the 56,000 who died in plane crashes, burned to death, fell out of ripped up planes, riddled with machine gun bullets, lynched or pitchforked by angry mobs as they came down by parachute and 1000 other grisly ways to die.
I would personally like to find whoever defaced this monument and give them a fucking good shoeing.
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Percy Dalton
3:21 Thu Jan 24
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There was a 45%death rate with an average age of 21.
My wife's uncle was a Lancaster pilot and was killed on the way back from Nuremburg in March 1944.
His plane was the 100th aircraft lost in one night.
Which I find hard to get my head round.
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arsene york-hunt
1:29 Thu Jan 24
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People nowadays do not realise that World War 2 was a life and death struggle, and that after the Battle of Britain., long range bombing was the only offensive weapon we had while we fought the Germans alone. The rate of attrition was staggering and 12000 planes were shot down during the war. As stated earlier history is taught in school in a politically correct manner and kids are not taught to be proud of our past.
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Westham67
12:34 Thu Jan 24
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The ones who didn't live through both Wars or the Cold War. Although it should be , that history is not really relevant to the life that people lead now. Also 20th century history is complex subject to study from scratch
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ironsofcanada
12:24 Thu Jan 24
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Westham67 12:16 Thu Jan 24
What are you saying exactly?
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Westham67
12:16 Thu Jan 24
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southwoodford 10:45 Tue Jan 22
My opinion about our 20th century history being buried is the end of the Cold War.
We were taught about the first World War that lead to Russian Revolution and the Second War was counter to Communism with the Nazis with their National Socialism. Which was relevant to the situation were we in at that time, and how we got to the West versus Communism and the Soviet Union
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violator
11:54 Thu Jan 24
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Apparently the one for Yvonne Fletcher has been done as well
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Northern Sold
11:26 Thu Jan 24
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`They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind`
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Russ of the BML
10:59 Thu Jan 24
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southwoodford 10:45 Tue Jan 22
Very good post. I wholeheartedly agree with every word of that.
And I would add that a lot of this is also down to the teaching of history. Also explaining to people that, although war is awful and bombing cities and towns is in itself barbaric, the fundamental basis of war is just that, barbaric.
The men of bomber command were doing a duty that was barbaric but they carried out that duty under very strict orders and for the common good of Britain and of course the rest of the world.
These young snowflakes will never ever find themselves in that position and that is down to the work that bomber command did.
It wasn't nice work and the last thing those brave men wanted to be doing was sitting up in those planes dropping bombs on people. But alas, that was the state of the world in that time and has they not been brave enough to do that work then the freedoms these young snowflakes now take for granted wouldn't be there.
These idiots need education...... And being frank a good fucking slap.
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Aalborg Hammer
10:21 Thu Jan 24
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The Express today carries an article saying the Met.Police have CCV of the oiks who desecrated the Bomber Command memorial but aren't releasing it " 'cos it might affect the investigation"
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southwoodford
10:45 Tue Jan 22
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This is what happens when we lose our sense of national history, identity and pride. We sit on the shoulders of generations of brave men, women and even children whose personal sacrifices in difficult moments in history have won us the gift of peace and freedom. How dare their memory be desecrated.
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ChillTheKeel
9:46 Tue Jan 22
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Defitnley the work of some tanked up Tory/Eton toff
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Northern Sold
9:43 Tue Jan 22
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Probably someone from off here...
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martyboy
9:38 Tue Jan 22
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Watching GMTV with the dick Piers, they are talking about this, and there are 2 guests on, one an ex army, the other a Snow flake, bloke keeps going on about the brave bomber pilots being children killers, and we should take down all memorials!!! Ex army man looked like he wanted the rip his head off!!! How do we put up with letting theses cunts spu this shit on telly!!!
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Mike Oxsaw
9:28 Tue Jan 22
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Copper-plate the memorials then wire them up to the national grid.
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joyo
9:05 Tue Jan 22
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They put a 24 hour cctv for Steve Lawrence memorial so why not for this as well
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